Saturday, September 24, 2016

What Can a Person With a Higher do That a Person With a Lower IQ Cannot?

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What Can a Person With a Higher do That a Person With a Lower IQ Cannot?
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What can a person with an IQ of 160 do that a person with an IQ of 100 cannot? Are certain things fundamentally unlearnable/undoable like IQ claims? How can this be overcome?
“There's a similar thread about this subject: What does an IQ of 160 mean?

When people think of high IQ's they may picture Matt Damon in Good Will Hunting where he remembers every book he reads and solves complex math problems on the chalkboard at night. That's not necessarily what someone with an IQ over 160 can do that others cannot.

When I was 9 my Mom had me tested because I wasn't doing well in school. We were just off of welfare and had moved up to the middle class after she married my step father. I remember hearing the answer read aloud to my Mom, "Mrs. Bakas, your son scored 162 on the IQ test".

Two years later I was tested again by a different person in a different location. The test score came back at 164.

Economic class could factor into how your life's trajectory will play out regardless of IQ.

My experience aligns more with what other have said about being able to recognize patterns quickly, especially macro trends. Seeing the correlation between abstract ideas and the significance of complex relationships sounds familiar. Solving big problems is satisfying. Not like Stephen Hawking and black holes, but for me I excel at solving creative problems.

20 years ago I worked at NIKE and was on the design team that created the NFL's Denver Broncos identity. After that, I created the University of Oregon brand identity. Each project was a large process solving a large challenge. To date, both of those projects have stood the test of time and are both considered some of the "best" sports identities ever created.

My observation about intelligence is we're all born with, say 100 points. And through natural distribution during inception, your points go into different buckets. Some might go into your intelligence while others might go into genetics or some strength like the ability to lead people or write exceptionally well.

Every person has strengths. Perhaps someone with a 160 IQ might get a few extra points in the "problem solving" bucket or the "processing data" bucket, but they also have a weakness somewhere else. Some people are born with the ability to understand how heating and ventilation works (like the guy who just installed my new furnace). He wears overalls and doesn't sound intelligent, but the way he solved our air flow problem of replacing 2 old furnaces in a 2-story house that was raised makes me think he's a genius. I couldn't have done it. He solved a tactical problem.

Over time, the idea of having a higher IQ has meant less and less. It shouldn't be a thing that makes you different (as a kid I hated being in the advanced classes because I didn't want to be different from my class mates).

The biggest problem or equation I want to solve is how do you connect people? It seems like there's a macro trend of our social circles splintering apart as we find more and more ways to be different from each other whether it's religion, political leanings, socioeconomic status, or which generation you're in. Social media has amplified micro tribes or cliques that create divisions rather than connections.

Historians will talk about this time in history and how technology—the one thing created to connect us—is having an adverse effect. Kids are actually getting diagnosed with a new thing referred to as "text neck". They're spending so much time on mobile devices it's affecting their posture, and most certainly social development.

So what can a person with an IQ over 160 do others cannot? If they latch onto solving the right problems for them, they can do quite a bit.”

“As someone with an IQ of 160+, I'm in complete agreement with Anonymous and others who have suggested that the significance of super-high IQ is ambiguous at best. There's definitely an increase in some kinds of cognitive abilities, but research indicates that there's very little correlation between high IQ and anything you might remotely think of success in life.
I tend to identify patterns more quickly than other people and to do well in tasks and fields where pattern recognition plays a big role. I'm more likely to stick with -- and to enjoy -- the exercise of parsing the significance of complex relationships among abstract ideas.  It gives me a feeling of flow, of forgetting myself.  So that meant that school was easier for me than for others, and the farther along in school I got and the more choice I had in what I studied, the more I like learning and excelled at learning. By the time I was 30, I had three masters degrees and a Ph.D., and if money were no object, I'd go back to college and take classes in all the subjects I thought were boring 30 years ago -- because learning new ways of thinking about the world is something I enjoy.

BUT.  To put a modern twist on an old saying, All those degrees,  the high IQ will  get you a skinny mocha grande at Starbucks -- if you also happen to have $5. Alone they're really not worth much, certainly not as much as: hard work, commitment, a high tolerance for frustration, the ability to see the best in other people and communicate with them, belief in yourself, and the ability to be comfortable in your own skin, to name but a few.  

As others have mentioned here, the empirical evidence supports no correlation, let alone causation, between super-high IQs and greater success in life.
But there is  plentiful research which demonstrates that the people who are most likely to be successful in their careers and interpersonal lives, the people who become leaders and influencers, who make money, who play well with others and who have a high level of satisfaction in their lives are people with IQs in the 120-140 range, in other words, roughly two standard deviations above the norm.

People three or more deviations above the normal IQ are more likely to feel isolated and depressed. They have greater self-doubt and are often poorer at communicating with a wide variety of people.  As teens and young adults, they're more likely to manage depression, isolation and uncertainty by self-medicating with alcohol and drugs (which have the benefit not only of altering mood temporarily but also of providing a the person with the social interactions and friends he lacks).  The problem could be, as others have suggested here, that higher IQ people are they're own worst enemies, sabotaging themselves by assuming others are less intelligent and thus less valuable, by being condescending or "snotty" and "acting superior."

But I think the problem is really with the concept of IQ itself -- how we define intelligence and what we expect an IQ score to be able to predict.  For me, the obvious cultural bias of IQ testing is at the root of the problem. Much of a test like the Stanford-Binet is predicated on the assumption that the test subject has of a certain level of cultural literacy (in one single and very specific hegemonic culture), which races the question of what, exactly an IQ test is measuring, and what we mean by intelligence.  

As Anonymous wrote: "very few of the important problems in life are of the kind that high IQ people tend to be good at. . . . [I find doing well as school] fairly easy, but that doesn't mean much in the real world."”

“There are no absolute rules with regard to human abilities and outcomes. But there are some tendencies.

People with very high IQs (e.g. 160) will generally have an easier time with academics; they will understand more in less time than others. They will make connections that others miss.  

Let's take Isaac Asimov, for example.  When he was 5 or so, he was waiting for his big sister at school.  He had one of those composition books that had the multiplication table in the back.  So...... he taught himself to multiply. That is, he figured out what the table was for, without being told.

Or there was a Harvard philosopher.  His parents said they knew he was not a typical kid when at age 4, he came into the kitchen and said

"Mommy, is God really everywhere?"
"Yes sweetie"
"Well, do I squeeze some of him out of the kitchen when I come in and take up his space?"

Or one kid who, in preschool, had already learned to read. So, he taught himself to read upside down so he could help the teacher by reading to the other kids with the book facing them.

I've known a few people with IQs of 160 or so.  They are interesting.”

“Given enough time and repetition, one can master almost any concept, an area of interest, whatever you like. Actually, it is through repetition that you learn the most. The real question here is how fast can you do it.

The higher IQ really means that you are able to process things (way, way) faster than you would normally. This is exactly why most of the IQ tests are time limited - you could simply solve all of them without this constraint. There are some specific tests where this does not apply, but it is generally true.

You can think about things from a multitude of angles, all at once. You can think of an idea that sounds completely insane,  yet you are able to eventually make them. You can understand concepts with ease, you can even understand concepts that you never heard of, just by listening to others - you will usually come up with ideas for improvements in the process.

There have been many great things said on this topic, and (somehow unfortunately), I can relate to most of them. But there is this thing that has been overlooked by many, and I feel like it is needed to address to completely understand the difference.

What a person with an IQ of 160 can't do, that people with 100 can?
One might be better in sports, one might be better in baking... But if you would compare two completely similar human beings but on vastly different intelligence level, is there a difference?

Yes, there is. I will speak for myself, but I know many great people that I met over the years who can relate on so many levels. The intelligence is a double-edged sword and if you let it, it will crush you, mostly your emotional and psychological.. you.

Having immense intelligence requires A LOT of willpower to actually make some use of it - because if you don't, then you will always feel like an outsider in the society. The IQ is nothing more than a distribution of people, and being on either edge is considered "not trendy" nowadays. You have to envelop yourself with people that are like you, or that can appreciate you for who you are. Don't waste time trying to convince others that you are not like that - intelligence is beautiful when nourished and used properly.

Another big issue is your inner voice, constantly puking dozens of ideas to the point where it will disturb the thing that you need to focus on. Especially if you are an entrepreneurial spirit, without a lot of training it is borderline impossible to focus on one thing. If you can master that, you will probably be exceptionally successful.

Last and probably the most significant thing that ties to what I said previously is that you can't rest. You never rest because your brain never rests. It actually does not rest even in your sleep - I regularly wake up with a "list" of things that I have to immediately think about. So you meditate. You learn how to control your thoughts to the point where you can completely focus, anywhere, anytime. Once you master it, you brain will become a power to reckon with - until that, it is just a noisy television screen with you desperately trying to tune in.

I am nowhere the mastery that I would need, but I am getting better. The self-control can be taught on any level, and I know one day I will be able to unlock my full potential.

The last thing that remains is to compare 160 and 100, and, it is really simple. When you have 160 or more, you are trying to go down on the scale and relate more to others. When you have 100, you are trying to advance up, so you can handle more. But ultimately, both of the people will meet somewhere in the middle. One that mastered the divine art of how to use the intelligence properly, and one that learned everything else in the meantime. In life, everyone is equal, and everyone can achieve great things.”

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